tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post1620373064164058747..comments2023-09-30T18:56:06.919+09:00Comments on The Closet Grandmaster: Ban Walkabouts During PlayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-63710300530004565302009-03-20T19:08:00.000+09:002009-03-20T19:08:00.000+09:00If the rule wasn't in place, presumably I could wr...If the rule wasn't in place, presumably I could write down all candidate moves and then cross them off as I work my way through them ---- ?Tom Chivershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09850710685193416732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-75577975329667860292009-03-10T01:48:00.000+09:002009-03-10T01:48:00.000+09:00A final thought or two, btw, this was a very thoug...A final thought or two, btw, this was a very thought-provoking post!<BR/><BR/>On the scoresheet "gamesmanship" theme, um, what are you guys doing reading your opponent's scoresheets, anyway? <BR/><BR/>On the walkabout theme, you have a right to know how your competitors' games are going. Knowledge empowers. Forgive a war story. On the first instance in my life when I won a tournament, a swiss, I and the three other leaders had equal scores before the last round. The four of us were paired. I had white, played the first two moves slowly, (a Sicilian) then took a moment to see how the other game was shaping up. It was a poor close-to-the-vest positional thing. I decided I would win this thing or go down in flames. Wing Gambit Deferred. (I have matured since then.) My opponent got rattled, did not defend well, and I got a beautiful position, and a nice quick win. The other two guys very quietly drew. No guts, no glory. <BR/><BR/>Also, frankly, when possible, I like to look at how my friends' games are going. As I said earlier, for me, it really relieves stress. I don't mind saying that. <BR/><BR/>But I would utterly prohibit visiting the opening or endings book vendors' room during your games!!Etaoin Shrdluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386949014453535392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-32130070822399510572009-03-07T06:16:00.000+09:002009-03-07T06:16:00.000+09:00I think walkabouts cannot be entirely forbidden. I...I think walkabouts cannot be entirely forbidden. In tournaments you want to know how your competitors are doing - which could be forbidden. But in team competitions the situation on the other boards may well influence your own play, which I think is perfectly legitimate (it IS a team competition after all).<BR/><BR/>Of course strange situations can occur if the same opening appears on several boards ... . This happened once or twice in my practice and at least once in the German Bundesliga, when Anand-McShane and Hracek-Shirov were identical until move 14. Described by Shirov in "Fire on the Board II" (game 45) - "I wanted to try it [a possible improvement] against Hracek that day and not yet against Vishy" (who was on the same team as Shirov).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-79804597269600383892009-03-05T22:36:00.000+09:002009-03-05T22:36:00.000+09:00I consider the practice cheating, particularly as ...I consider the practice cheating, particularly as how Dennis described it as I actually had to play in an Oz Champ event where my opponent did exactly what Dennis said - he wrote one move, then crossed it out and substituted another and then cross that out and wrote down a third, before then reverting back to his first move. And he did this for several moves in a complicated Sicilian middlegame! I was very annoyed about this - thankfully I still won after a very long endgame, but I still made sure I had a quiet word with the arbiter Gary Bekker afterwards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-24724344221643163572009-03-05T10:52:00.000+09:002009-03-05T10:52:00.000+09:00As I understand it the rule against writing down y...As I understand it the rule against writing down your move first was advocated by Geurt Gijssen who considered that allowing prior writing down could amount to written analysis. He explained his views in detail in "An Arbiter's Notebook" on the Chess Cafe some time ago. There is some strength in the argument for this - that put by Gijssen - that writing down a move and later crossing it out and writing another, perhaps repeating the process several times, amounts to written analysis. I think writng the move first was a trendy thing like two-handed castling and banning it will soon make no difference. Most players didn't do it anyway.<BR/><BR/>DJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-50974540656745679822009-03-02T15:26:00.000+09:002009-03-02T15:26:00.000+09:00I personally feel that players cannot walk around ...I personally feel that players cannot walk around viewing other games as they can inadvertently see something that would help them in their games (the fact we make a move when we want to is one key difference between chess and most other sports).<BR/><BR/>I am all for a rest area to go to for a break however although if chess is to be a sport (I am not advocating this) we need to be regulated by timeouts during play such as limited toilet breaks, etc., all perhaps due to media contracts and live broadcast requirements!Peter Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13506438948160219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-28759947737882234972009-03-02T07:56:00.000+09:002009-03-02T07:56:00.000+09:00I agree with Etaoin Shrdlu - the sure way to lose ...I agree with Etaoin Shrdlu - the sure way to lose a game is copying another player. How many times have players played an opening that they have never played before on the advice that their upcoming opponent is weak in this particular opening and ended up losing! I personally used to get up from the board after every second move. I have stopped this habit now as cheating has become more prominent and I dont want to give a player an excuse to acuse me of cheating. Sitting at the board for prolonged periods of time has done nothing to improve my chess and my results are pretty much the same. To echo Etaoin Shrdlu sentiments the only thing that will improve your chess is actually understanding the moves you are playing!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-33604637505103059942009-03-02T04:34:00.000+09:002009-03-02T04:34:00.000+09:00This is all ridiculous. What ever happened to the ...This is all ridiculous. What ever happened to the old idea that chess is a game for gentlemen. And for ladies too. <BR/><BR/>Writing down a move beforehand gives no advantage, it just wastes time. It is ridiculous to prohibit it. <BR/><BR/>As to your walkabout concerns, I have always found getting up and looking at other players' games to be a pleasant and helpful stress-reliever, and frankly never in my life has it occurred to me look at someone else's game for guidance on my own. That's a nutty idea by the way, and sounds like a good way to lose. If I don't understand why someone else is playing a move, I really, really have no business copying it, even if it is a bloomin' grandmaster playing it. <BR/>Nuts to that bad idea too!Etaoin Shrdluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14386949014453535392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-89279691485743666592009-03-01T23:41:00.000+09:002009-03-01T23:41:00.000+09:00The ban against recording your move before playing...The ban against recording your move before playing it was prompted by the introduction of recording devices like Monroi. When you record your move on those gadgets, you see the new position on the display. That helps you visualize it better. - MarkMark Weekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10101044127493771263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-47076158107455345352009-03-01T18:12:00.000+09:002009-03-01T18:12:00.000+09:00I too used to write my move first, double check my...I too used to write my move first, double check my move and only then play it. This is how I was taught, and was told this was a good method to help to avoid blunders. Many famous Grandmasters also used this method.<BR/><BR/>Was quite shocked when a few years, I was told this was illegal.<BR/><BR/> The reason behind it supposely is its illegal to use notes, or make notes during a game. Writing down your move first is making notes to the game, with the purpose of helping you during play.<BR/><BR/>Yes I agree the walkabout rules should be looked at. Supposely , perhaps someone can correct me here, it is illegal to get up and go walkabout during you move ?!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-18147824029441237202009-03-01T18:11:00.000+09:002009-03-01T18:11:00.000+09:00Hmmm... I see your point and agree with your asses...Hmmm... I see your point and agree with your assessment of that letigiously trigger-happy author of the first rule, but ban my walk abouts??<BR/><BR/>I'm not buyin it. <BR/><BR/>(Though I bet the first time my opponent goes out for a latte' and comes back with a winning move, I will be in full support.)<BR/><BR/>"What's good for the goose, is..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-50759377097298602272009-03-01T16:00:00.000+09:002009-03-01T16:00:00.000+09:00Just in case you hadn't noticed, some people were ...Just in case you hadn't noticed, some people were writing down moves they had no intention of playing. It was a little distracting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14539885.post-84761655653628643862009-03-01T12:43:00.000+09:002009-03-01T12:43:00.000+09:00This is very difficult to police, though hopefully...This is very difficult to police, though hopefully the arbiters can spot the difference between a 'walkabout' and a 'scouting mission'!<BR/><BR/>The more painful one is seeing your opponent regularly leave to talk to the same friend. Is this friend helping with some advice?<BR/><BR/>Of course it all comes down to the players themselves, if you even think it is possible that your opponent is cheating, then any action will be suspicious.<BR/><BR/>Being a nicotine addict and one who also likes to get up regularly to stretch and move about, get a drink, etc, I would imagine a requirement for me to sit in the one spot for 2 hours would be a huge impost :)Phil Bourkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984479449044393181noreply@blogger.com